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	<title>Comments on: Dealing with Fraud &#8211; A Watcher&#8217;s Perspective</title>
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		<title>By: Cameron Jones</title>
		<link>http://blog.spry.com/2007/08/24/dealing-with-fraud-a-watchers-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niko,

Please leave your ticket number here and I can find out what&#039;s going on. Sorry for the delay, but I assure you it&#039;s to make sure we&#039;re not charging random peoples credit cards. You&#039;d be amazed at the percentage of fraud orders we receive.

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Niko,

I checked on the ticket history and there were several things that tripped our system on this one. Kelly did a decent job of trying to explain them, but I agree our initial communication could be clarified a bit more. Especially with regards to the attachment size. Kelly and I will be working on this over the next few days. I hope you understand that this was not in an effort to make you jump through hoops, rather to protect the unsuspecting souls out there that don&#039;t protect their identity/financial info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niko,</p>
<p>Please leave your ticket number here and I can find out what&#8217;s going on. Sorry for the delay, but I assure you it&#8217;s to make sure we&#8217;re not charging random peoples credit cards. You&#8217;d be amazed at the percentage of fraud orders we receive.</p>
<p>&#8211;EDIT&#8211;</p>
<p>Niko,</p>
<p>I checked on the ticket history and there were several things that tripped our system on this one. Kelly did a decent job of trying to explain them, but I agree our initial communication could be clarified a bit more. Especially with regards to the attachment size. Kelly and I will be working on this over the next few days. I hope you understand that this was not in an effort to make you jump through hoops, rather to protect the unsuspecting souls out there that don&#8217;t protect their identity/financial info.</p>
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		<title>By: Niko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the moment I just tried to place the order.

I got asked for verification which I provided and asked for the reason i got flagged.

The reply was a oneliner &quot;Orginating IP adress didn&#039;t match billing adress&quot;
And we didn&#039;t recieved the attachment (scan of the passport)
The email didn&#039;t even have a greeting , or a &quot;have a nice day&quot; at the end.

The given reasons is also funny , as it is my companies static IP which can be easily traced and looked up, and will for sure orginate from the same location.

At the moment i can&#039;t even log in with my account to open a support ticket.

Yes this is the moment where I get angry with the support for wasting my time.



And yes , this is the situation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment I just tried to place the order.</p>
<p>I got asked for verification which I provided and asked for the reason i got flagged.</p>
<p>The reply was a oneliner &#8220;Orginating IP adress didn&#8217;t match billing adress&#8221;<br />
And we didn&#8217;t recieved the attachment (scan of the passport)<br />
The email didn&#8217;t even have a greeting , or a &#8220;have a nice day&#8221; at the end.</p>
<p>The given reasons is also funny , as it is my companies static IP which can be easily traced and looked up, and will for sure orginate from the same location.</p>
<p>At the moment i can&#8217;t even log in with my account to open a support ticket.</p>
<p>Yes this is the moment where I get angry with the support for wasting my time.</p>
<p>And yes , this is the situation</p>
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		<title>By: Skavoovie</title>
		<link>http://blog.spry.com/2007/08/24/dealing-with-fraud-a-watchers-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Skavoovie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good tips...however, you should consider releasing the originating IP and email address to the verified card holder...for instance, if they are willing to send you a couple bucks via PayPal to pay for it, why not mail the information to the card holder&#039;s billing address?

From a legal perspective, you&#039;re covered (assuming you mail it to the billing address only), and getting a subpoena is never gonna happen realistically w/o the originating IP first.

A subpoena indicates either:

a) law enforcement has accepted the case (minimum $5,000 loss for federal, but they would still never actually get involved for such a &quot;small&quot; issue),

or

b) that the individual has hired a lawyer (thousands of dollars),

or

c) that the individual has filed a claim in small claims court (against a John Doe? until they get the information and use that to get the user&#039;s identity from the ISP), which isn&#039;t going to happen either.

I hope I never have to deal with something like that, but if I did, I would hope the company involved would be willing to provide that information without unnecessary red tape that only helps the criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good tips&#8230;however, you should consider releasing the originating IP and email address to the verified card holder&#8230;for instance, if they are willing to send you a couple bucks via PayPal to pay for it, why not mail the information to the card holder&#8217;s billing address?</p>
<p>From a legal perspective, you&#8217;re covered (assuming you mail it to the billing address only), and getting a subpoena is never gonna happen realistically w/o the originating IP first.</p>
<p>A subpoena indicates either:</p>
<p>a) law enforcement has accepted the case (minimum $5,000 loss for federal, but they would still never actually get involved for such a &#8220;small&#8221; issue),</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>b) that the individual has hired a lawyer (thousands of dollars),</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>c) that the individual has filed a claim in small claims court (against a John Doe? until they get the information and use that to get the user&#8217;s identity from the ISP), which isn&#8217;t going to happen either.</p>
<p>I hope I never have to deal with something like that, but if I did, I would hope the company involved would be willing to provide that information without unnecessary red tape that only helps the criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: thinice</title>
		<link>http://blog.spry.com/2007/08/24/dealing-with-fraud-a-watchers-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>thinice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here here! Great article and I&#039;m glad to know that there&#039;s a human behind the applications.
I think every company that does cards should have either an employee or outsourced resource to humanly screen these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here! Great article and I&#8217;m glad to know that there&#8217;s a human behind the applications.<br />
I think every company that does cards should have either an employee or outsourced resource to humanly screen these things.</p>
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